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10-22-2001, 11:08 PM

<title>GENE-murder-and resurrection and ascension :) Dan Luxan luxan luxan@mail.com</title>
On 10/22/01 1:12:43 PM, C S wrote: 
>Gene, death is not "death" it 
>is a change and exit from this 
>life... 
 
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. 
 
now you can go the 
>hard-way in pain and polluted 
>with cancers etc..(which don't 
>exist)--or you can exit the 
>easy way, healthy, when you 
>are ready (you've had enough 
>of this life and you're not 
>evolving or learning anything 
>new)--you can leave quietly 
>"in your sleep", 
 
ACTUALLY, WHEN U 'AWAKEN FROM THE SLEEP OF HUMAN DEATH', YOU WILL 'DISAPPEAR' FROM THIS DIMENSION - & 'FOCUS YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IN A HIGHER DIMENSION. 
 
YOUR BODY 'HERE' WILL DISAPPEAR - NEVER 2 BE SEEN AGAIN. 
 
actually you leave your "body" which you 
>discover is just a shadow you 
>are casting a reflection of 
>you, and you go on...or you 
>and your "body" ascend--in 
>other words you are so aware 
>that you are a spiritual being 
>right now-that your "body" 
>reflects it and disappears 
>from 'mortal sight"..hence 
>transfigueration and 
>ascension. or in other words, 
>doing what Jesus did... 
 
TRUE. 
 
>Oh man! I can't ascend..I 
>have to leave my 'body' behind 
>so Ed or children could show a 
>'dead body' to the officials 
>here so they could prove I am 
>dead and collect on 
>inheritance or whatever. Then 
>the IRS would go crazy trying 
>to tax me when I'm not here 
>anymore!...Excedrin Headache 
>number 3. 
 
ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN U DO 'DISAPPEAR' AS A MASTER - THEY, YOUR DISCIPLES/STUDENTS WILL START A NEW RELIGION, & WORSHIP U 4 THE NEXT 2,000 YEARS! 
 
luxan 
 
>On 10/22/01 3:39:08 AM, Gene Smith 
>wrote: 
>>"Gene- it does not matter. 
>>This is not for everyone, if 
>>you are happy-I'm glad for 
>>you. 
>>I've been reading and being 
>>reminded that mortal error 
>>HATES truth....and will 
>>attack." 
>> 
>>I have to admit I am NOT 
>>following you at all. This 
>>started with you saying that 
>>in your faith death and 
>>sickness were in effect non 
>>existent in reality. I asked 
>>who in your faith were in fact 
>>older than 125 years old and 
>>how many had died; 
>>particularly the founder, whom 
>>you say could raise the dead. 
>> 
>>You have never answered my 
>>question, not that you're 
>>obligated to. But if you're 
>>going to state such things 
>>here; curiosity alone is going 
>>to make one wonder. If death 
>>and sickness are not "real" 
>>then WHY do these people who 
>>believe this keep getting sick 
>>and dying?? 
>> 
>>You state that mortal error 
>>hates truth. Yeppers I think 
>>it does. If this stuff is 
>>real then who is living past 
>>125 and who is dying? It's a 
>>simple question. Maybe one 
>>that can help distinguish 
>>mortal error from what is in 
>>fact "real". 
>> 
>>Gene

snow

10-23-2001, 08:40 AM

<title>Clarification: Kimberly Snow snow ksnow@cablespeed.com</title>
On 10/22/01 10:26:33 PM, Sheryl Lynn wrote: 
>On 10/21/01 11:10:30 PM, C S wrote: 
> 
>> 
>>BY THE WAY-HAVE YOU HAD YOUR FLU SHOT 
>>YET? 
>> 
>Nope, only time I have had a flu shot 
>what 
>when in the service and it was 
>mandatory. I 
>haven't had the flu for years. I have 
>had my 
>polio (it used to kill & cripple 
>thousands), 
>small pox (it used to kill and disfigure 
>thousands) and a bunch of others. Yes 
>some 
>folks react badly to vaccines but it is 
>much 
>safer for the general populace than not 
>getting them. How many cases of 
>whooping 
>cough have you heard of lately? Polio? 
>diphtheria? etc. 
> 
>Sheryl 
>> 
> 
 
Those were on the decline before the vaccination programs were even in place. 
 
Kimberly

Sheryll

10-23-2001, 10:55 PM

<title>..the closer one looks-the oddness appears........ Sheryl Lynn Sheryll sheryll@pobox.alaska.net</title>
On 10/23/01 7:02:43 AM, Lavi Chagyah wrote: 
>On 10/22/01 10:19:43 PM, Sheryl Lynn 
>wrote: 
>======================================== 
>===== 
>Maybe when you add modern revelation 
>Which I understand you don't except, but 
>that alone does not make it invalid.)it 
>becomes a valid practice. 
>======================================== 
>===== 
..............I think it would be very 
>fair to you to point out the " 
>modern-revelation " you speak of comes 
>from an " elected " official in the 
>Mormon church ! 
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I don't ever recall voting for an official of 
The Church. We sustain them but do not vote 
for them. There is no election and no one 
ever runs for a position. This is the case 
whether it is a Sunday School teacher or a 
member of the Quorum of The Twelve. When a 
person is called to be a General Authority 
that person is usually the most surprised. 
The Presidency is gained by being called to 
the Quorum of The Twelve and living long 
enough to become the senior member of that 
body. The current President is in his 90's 
and is still very active and travels a lot to 
visit The Church membership, dedicate new 
temples etc. I believe that you are the one 
adding SPIN or should I be kind and say 
continuing to show your ignorance of the 
subject.) 
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( If it was Washington 
>D.C. i believe they'd call it " spin " ! 
>..Is it not interesting that the 
>Federal Court of Appeals found it 
>invalid to the point of issuing a cease 
>& desist order ! 
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Now do you look to the courts to determine 
what is a valid practice? Maybe we could 
get them to rule against gravity. I thought 
you used the scriptures? Next you will be 
quoting from the Koran. 
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>===== 
>The purpose and belief is that we 
>>provide the service and each person for 
whom the ordnance is preformed may accept or 
reject it. 
>======================================== 
>===== 
>.............(Here's where it gets 
>"freaky") So how does one get acceptance 
>from the "dead" ??? 
>Or are you telling me the Mormon church 
>"speaks" for the dead ? 
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No, we don't claim to know. We just perform 
the ordinances if they accept or reject 
it is between them and Father. We will never 
know until we get on the other side. 
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> 
> 
> Shalom ! 
> Lavi Chagyah 
> 
> 
 
 
Remember, Ephraim is the greater blessing. 
 
Sheryl

Sheryll

10-23-2001, 11:04 PM

<title>Clarification: Sheryl Lynn Sheryll sheryll@pobox.alaska.net</title>
On 10/23/01 8:40:24 AM, Kimberly Snow wrote: 
>On 10/22/01 10:26:33 PM, Sheryl Lynn 
>wrote: 
>>On 10/21/01 11:10:30 PM, C S wrote: 
>> 
>>> 
>>>BY THE WAY-HAVE YOU HAD YOUR FLU SHOT 
>>>YET? 
>>> 
>>Nope, only time I have had a flu shot 
>>what 
>>when in the service and it was 
>>mandatory. I 
>>haven't had the flu for years. I have 
>>had my 
>>polio (it used to kill & cripple 
>>thousands), 
>>small pox (it used to kill and disfigure 
>>thousands) and a bunch of others. Yes 
>>some 
>>folks react badly to vaccines but it is 
>>much 
>>safer for the general populace than not 
>>getting them. How many cases of 
>>whooping 
>>cough have you heard of lately? Polio? 
>>diphtheria? etc. 
>> 
>>Sheryl 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>Those were on the decline before the 
>vaccination programs were even in place. 
> 
>Kimberly 
> 
Really? How many people did you know 
growing up who had polio? I knew a lot. It 
went from thousands per year to almost zero 
over night. One small glitch with one of the 
vaccines one year but then it is now a very 
rare occurance. If we were to do away with 
vaccinating for the various ailments we would 
soon see a resurgence of them. The death 
rate would not be as high because we have 
better treatments now but he occurances would 
soar. You are young enough that you don;'t 
know friends who died from polio, or who 
spent months or years in an iron lung and 
could only walk with braces and crutches. 
 
Sheryl

Chagyah

10-24-2001, 07:28 AM

<title>..the closer one looks-the oddness appears........ Lavi Chagyah Chagyah lavi_chagyah@yahoo.com</title>
On 10/23/01 10:55:23 PM, Sheryl Lynn wrote: 
============================================= We sustain them but do not vote for them. There is no election and no one 
ever runs for a position. This is the 
case whether it is a Sunday School teacher or a member of the Quorum of The Twelve. When 
a person is called to be a General 
>Authority that person is usually the most 
>surprised. 
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................You would do well to read the Mormon dogma to these processes. I had no Idea you did not understand them. Best spend some time with your local "stake" President 
============================================= 
Is it not interesting that the Federal Court of Appeals found it invalid to the point of issuing a cease & desist order ! 
>>======================================== 
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>@@@@@@ 
>Now do you look to the courts to determine 
>what is a valid practice?Maybe we could 
>get them to rule against gravity.I thought 
>you used the scriptures? Next you will 
>be quoting from the Koran. 
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..................LOL ! Spare me the Invective! The point i was trying to Illustrate here was.....Here in the Land of freedom of Religion, where almost anything goes! Our Federal Government saw fit to "legally" restrain the Mormon "practice" of baptising dead jewish people into the Mormon church. 
============================================= 
 
 
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>>Or are you telling me the Mormon church 
>>"speaks" for the dead ? 
--------------------------------------------- 
>No, we don't claim to know. We just 
>perform the ordinances if they accept or reject it is between them and Father. We will never know until we get on the other side. 
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................... For once you & I have achieved unity ! I also feel the Mormons don't "know" ! 
============================================= 
Remember, Ephraim is the greater blessing. 
Sheryl 
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.................Is this some of the teachings of the Mormon Holy men ?? ..I mean whereby they "allude" that " Ephraim" is allegory for todays Mormon church ?? If so please check out what the Prophet Hosheyah had to say regarding "Ephraim" : 
 
....." For Israyl slides back like a backsliding heifer, so how can Yahweh feed them as a lamb in a large pasture? Ephraim is joined to gods!Let him alone. Their drink is rebellion; they have committed whoredom continually. Her rulers do love shmeful ways and many gifts." Hosheyah 4:16-18 
 
Shalom 
Lavi Chagyah

snow

10-24-2001, 08:02 AM

<title>Clarification: Kimberly Snow snow ksnow@cablespeed.com</title>
On 10/23/01 11:04:02 PM, Sheryl Lynn wrote: 
>On 10/23/01 8:40:24 AM, Kimberly Snow 
>wrote: 
>>On 10/22/01 10:26:33 PM, Sheryl Lynn 
>>wrote: 
>>>On 10/21/01 11:10:30 PM, C S wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>BY THE WAY-HAVE YOU HAD YOUR FLU SHOT 
>>>>YET? 
>>>> 
>>>Nope, only time I have had a flu shot 
>>>what 
>>>when in the service and it was 
>>>mandatory. I 
>>>haven't had the flu for years. I have 
>>>had my 
>>>polio (it used to kill & cripple 
>>>thousands), 
>>>small pox (it used to kill and disfigure 
>>>thousands) and a bunch of others. Yes 
>>>some 
>>>folks react badly to vaccines but it is 
>>>much 
>>>safer for the general populace than not 
>>>getting them. How many cases of 
>>>whooping 
>>>cough have you heard of lately? Polio? 
>>>diphtheria? etc. 
>>> 
>>>Sheryl 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>Those were on the decline before the 
>>vaccination programs were even in place. 
>> 
>>Kimberly 
>> 
>Really? How many people did you know 
>growing up who had polio? I knew a lot. 
>It 
>went from thousands per year to almost 
>zero 
>over night. One small glitch with one 
>of the 
>vaccines one year but then it is now a 
>very 
>rare occurance. If we were to do away 
>with 
>vaccinating for the various ailments we 
>would 
>soon see a resurgence of them. The 
>death 
>rate would not be as high because we 
>have 
>better treatments now but he occurances 
>would 
>soar. You are young enough that you 
>don;'t 
>know friends who died from polio, or who 
>spent months or years in an iron lung 
>and 
>could only walk with braces and 
>crutches. 
> 
>Sheryl 
 
I repeat, those were on the decline before the vaccines were nationally administered. It matters not whether I knew people who died from polio or not. The fact still remains. 
 
Kimberly

kholmar

10-24-2001, 07:02 PM

<title>Clarification: William Colston kholmar bill2@earthling.net</title>
>>> I repeat, those were on the decline before the vaccines were nationally administered. 
 
That is a liberal pseudo-fact. 
It is true but irrelevant to the discussion. 
They were on the decline because sanitation and general cleanliness and medical care were getting better. 
Perhaps the instances would have gone to zero without the vaccs and perhaps not, it is an impossible argument to quantify because we can never go back and try it the other way. 
 
Dont get me wrong, I have TERRIBLY mixed feelings about the vaccs for my 3 year old but I tend to agree that it is better to have them than not. 
 
billiam

snow

10-24-2001, 08:21 PM

<title>Clarification: Kimberly Snow snow ksnow@cablespeed.com</title>
On 10/24/01 7:02:42 PM, William Colston wrote: 
>>>> I repeat, those were on the decline before the vaccines were nationally administered. 
> 
>That is a liberal pseudo-fact. 
>It is true but irrelevant to 
>the discussion. 
>They were on the decline 
>because sanitation and general 
>cleanliness and medical care 
>were getting better. 
>Perhaps the instances would 
>have gone to zero without the 
>vaccs and perhaps not, it is 
>an impossible argument to 
>quantify because we can never 
>go back and try it the other 
>way. 
 
Exactly. To use vaccines as an argument as the reason why those particular ailments declined as they did is equally as impossible. 
 
Kimberly 
>

snow

10-24-2001, 08:23 PM

<title>Clarification: Kimberly Snow snow ksnow@cablespeed.com</title>
On 10/24/01 8:21:00 PM, Kimberly Snow wrote: 
>On 10/24/01 7:02:42 PM, William Colston 
>wrote: 
>>>>> I repeat, those were on the decline before the vaccines were nationally administered. 
>> 
>>That is a liberal pseudo-fact. 
>>It is true but irrelevant to 
>>the discussion. 
 
Interesting also that you claim it to be a "liberal" psuedo-fact. It tends to be the liberals who push vaccines and the conservatives who tend to fight for freedom of choice in that regard. As least the ones I know. 
 
Kimberly

Sheryll

10-24-2001, 08:46 PM

<title>..the closer one looks-the oddness appears........ Sheryl Lynn Sheryll sheryll@pobox.alaska.net</title>
On 10/24/01 7:28:35 AM, Lavi Chagyah wrote: 
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>===== 
>................You would do well to 
>read the Mormon dogma to these 
>processes. I had no Idea you did not 
>understand them. Best spend some time 
>with your local "stake" President 
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Just what dogma do you refer to? I am very 
familuer with the process of selection of 
members to serve in the various positions. 
Again it would appear to me that you speak 
using a source that is in error. Most who 
write about The Church and are not 
participants either get the facts wrong or 
intentionally misrepresent the facts. 
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> 
>======================================== 
>===== 
>..................LOL ! Spare me the 
>Invective! The point i was trying to 
>Illustrate here was.....Here in the Land 
>of freedom of Religion, where almost 
>anything goes! Our Federal Government 
>saw fit to "legally" restrain the Mormon 
>"practice" of baptising dead jewish 
>people into the Mormon church. 
>======================================== 
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Yes, now I can concur with "legally restrain". 
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>===== 
> 
> 
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>@@@@@ 
>>>Or are you telling me the Mormon church 
>>>"speaks" for the dead ? 
>---------------------------------------- 
>----- 
>>No, we don't claim to know. We just 
>>perform the ordinances if they accept or 
reject it is between them and Father. We 
will never know until we get on the other side. 
>>@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 
>................... For once you & I 
>have achieved unity ! I also feel the 
>Mormons don't "know" ! 
>======================================== 
>===== 
>Remember, Ephraim is the greater 
>blessing. 
>Sheryl 
>======================================== 
>===== 
>.................Is this some of the 
>teachings of the Mormon Holy men ?? ..I 
>mean whereby they "allude" that " 
>Ephraim" is allegory for todays Mormon 
>church ?? If so please check out what 
>the Prophet Hosheyah had to say 
>regarding "Ephraim" : 
> 
>....." For Israyl slides back like a 
>backsliding heifer, so how can Yahweh 
>feed them as a lamb in a large pasture? 
>Ephraim is joined to gods!Let him alone. 
>Their drink is rebellion; they have 
>committed whoredom continually. Her 
>rulers do love shmeful ways and many 
>gifts." Hosheyah 4:16-18 
> 
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Oh Lavi, you are so cute when you get excited 
and trip over mouse droppings. Read the 
account of Joseph, who was sold into Egypt, 
bringing his sons to his aged father for a 
blessing. You should have known this one. 
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> Shalom 
> Lavi Chagyah 
> 
 
Sheryl

Chagyah

10-25-2001, 07:21 AM

<title>..Are you & Carol Strauss, sisters??........ Lavi Chagyah Chagyah lavi_chagyah@yahoo.com</title>
On 10/24/01 8:46:28 PM, Sheryl Lynn wrote: 
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Oh Lavi, you are so cute when you get 
excited and trip over mouse droppings. Read 
the account of Joseph, who was sold into 
Egypt, bringing his sons to his aged father for a blessing. You should have known this 
one. 
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...........Obfuscation be thy name ! 
 
Shalom ! 
Lavi Chagyah

Sheryll

10-25-2001, 10:18 PM

<title>..Are you & Carol Strauss, sisters??........ Sheryl Lynn Sheryll sheryll@pobox.alaska.net</title>
On 10/25/01 7:21:28 AM, Lavi Chagyah wrote: 
 
> 
> Shalom ! 
> Lavi Chagyah 
> 
> 
> 
> 
yes we are. How did you know? 
 
Sheryl